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Blog: Be Careful with CableCard...it can Cost you MORE than you Expect!

One of the greatest selling points you will hear in regards to Vista Cable Card OEM systems is: It will save you money, as you will not have to rent whatever set-top-box your cable provider deems a requirement to view digital and HD channels. And originally, it was a valid point and one which really helped validate the necessity of the FCC's support of something which would reduce the ridiculous monopoly which cable companies had on how you can watch television.

I wonder if what's become of the situation is what the FCC and the other Consumer Fair Rights groups had in mind when they came up with the idea. Apparently, the Cable Companies (for this case, I will use Comcast, but have also been told that Time Warner shares this fun habit) have taken it upon themselves to deem that the charge for the cable cards alone are not substantial enough--most likely as they are simply not making enough money out of the deal. Having to provide a service without forcing a consumer to rent their box?! ABSURD!

I will be the first to admit, the idea of being able to use my Media Center with high definition cable was the number one reason I chose to go with Cable Card. But a very close second was the cost savings--yes, I know I had to purchase an OEM system, but I was going to anyways, so in essence, it was a wash for me. Imagine my shock when I looked at my cable bill, which had then jumped from $70 or so to the near $90 range, and found out that the cable cards were the culprit! I am in the San Jose bay area and am forced into Comcast San Jose. When I initially setup cablecard, my understanding was that I would be charged $1.79 per card. Not free, but hey, not nearly as bad as paying $8-10 for a set-top-box with a hideous user interface and response time. After looking at my bill however, it appears that is simply not true.

Comcast, in their shrewd way, have apparently sought fit to start charging me an ADDITIONAL $6.99 fee PER CABLECARD! And yes, that is separate than the already charged $1.79 each. After speaking to 3 customer service reps and 2 managers, I got a variety of excuses and responses as to why they HAVE to charge me the outrageous $6.99, stating on the bill it is for a "Digital Addon Outlet." Even when I explained this is for a single Media Center PC and that they have not installed any other outlet, they refused to budge. Here's the kicker--when I posed the question to them of how much a Set-top-box rental costs, they replied, "$6.99," and even admitted that yes, it would be cheaper to go with one of THEIR set-top-boxes instead of cablecards, stating, that the only reason he knows why anyone would go cablecard would be to "hang their TV on the wall."

I feel terrible writing this, as I really love the technology but there is already significant negative publicity surrounding cable card--with the lack of inexpensive boxes, to the terrifying thought of Switched Digital Video--but I had to bring this out into the open as I think it's an absolute atrocity of the idea the FCC started which was wonderful for the consumer. In the end, at least for now, it seems Comcast and other cable companies will continue to gouge you in every way, shape or form, until you confine to the fees and services they want you to.

If this outrages you half as much as much it did me, I IMPLORE YOU to GET INVOLVED!! Write your cable company, write to the Consumerist and other Consumer Advocacy Groups. Digg this and any similar articles...and most importantly, let your WALLET do the talking! I know I will be, and there is power in numbers, and if enough Consumers speak up about this atrocity then that is how things can change.

digg this article!

Cross Posted from: MissingRemote.com

Published Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:37 AM by shadymg

Comments

 

walkabt said:

Do you have a copy of the letter you sent in that could be used as a form letter?
August 27, 2008 10:55 AM
 

jmallory07 said:

You really need to escalate this with Comcast Corporate in Philidelphia.  There is no way they can be charging you this much.  The most you should be paying is.

1 Additional A/O at $6.99 per month (this should include the 1st cablecard)
1 Additional Cablecard at 1.79 per month.

You should be paying at most $8.80 per month.  And that assumes you already have an STB somewhere else.  If you don't have an STB, the most they should be charging you is $1.79 for the second cable card.

Did you point the Comcast CSR at the FAQ in your original post?  


August 27, 2008 11:35 AM
 

shadymg said:

No, i'm trying to gather as much information as possible before i continue onward. At this point I've spoken to 5 different people, so I wanted to cool down before calling again.

And no, i don't have a single STB in my house
August 27, 2008 11:40 AM
 

jmallory07 said:

Okay,

Then the most you should be paying is an additional 1.79 for the 2nd cablecard.  The first cablecard on the first drop is free.  

What I would do is ask for the Regional VP or call Comcast in Philidelphia and ask for the "Executive Account Manager" <-  Treat this person well, it is amazing what they can get done.


August 27, 2008 12:23 PM
 

JohnW248 said:

Charges for cable cards and programming will vary depending on area and company. Time Warner here charges for the cable card and then any additional item (whether it's a stb or cable card) has a programming fee attached.

The net result is that my TWO cable cards with programming are less than ONE STB. Plus I have HD recording capability and I can play the recording thru my extenders on other sets (without STB or Cable Cards) as well as look at live TV on other sets with the extenders.

I believe that after July 2007, all STB placed were supposed to be equipped with cable cards so there will be a large installed base which is good because that means that the channel mapping and new channel introductions will be much faster than they were back in the early days (2005) with a cable card in a tv set.

Of course we still have the problem of SDV and no two-way for on-demand which the cable companies are rolling out. The SDV is the biggest problem and while there is a solution for Tivo, there's none at this time for Vista MC.

John
August 27, 2008 12:52 PM
 

Blog: Be Careful with CableCard…it can Cost you MORE than you Expect! | Windows Home Theater said:

August 27, 2008 4:41 PM
 

shadymg said:

I updated the blog at MIssingRemote with some info after I confronted a CSR with the FAQ information & other details fellow members had shared...but no luck. The CSR was nice enough to try to take out the charge, but then it disabled the cablecard :-(
August 27, 2008 7:21 PM
 

DenCollins said:

According to a FCC ruling the cable companies were supposed to supply the First Cable card
free of charge. (Excluding the Installation Fee) The second card was subject to a fee of $4.99 per month. Pricing could be different in your area.
August 28, 2008 7:11 AM
 

FSUGrad1999 said:

ShadyMG, Man....  I'm really sorry to hear about your troubles.  Stay on them though, and I have a good feeling you'll be able to get that reduced at least some...

I'm not trying to throw salt in your wounds, but I recently switched from a HDDVR & HDSTB with Charter Communications in Stockbridge, GA to two Cable Cards and 1 HDHomeRun (dual QAM)...  Its my understanding that I will be saving $21 a month by giving the two boxes back to my CC....  That savings comes from a charge of $2/per card.
Good luck!
August 28, 2008 8:14 AM
 

zkam said:

Do you use twitter?  If so, try contacting @comcastcares
http://twitter.com/comcastcares
August 28, 2008 8:52 AM
 

coolwater said:

Check this out. Should give you more ammo to argue with them.

http://www.comcast.com/customers/faq/FaqDetails.ashx?ID=2651&fss=cablecard
August 30, 2008 9:25 PM
 

jmallory07 said:

I would also try contacting Comcast through Twitter.  They recently ran something I think on ABC News about Comcast resolving complaints through Twitter.  Also, if you want to get anywhere with this, you need to call the headquarters in Philly...just trying to keep banging heads at your local call center isn't going to do any good at this rate but trust me...I have Comcast here in Metro Detroit and my two Cablecards aren't costing anywhere near that much.  I have a single O/A charge and one additional Cablecard which is exactly what I should be paying.  


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